From: Nancy Lieder (206.176.219.150)
Subject: Cooperation = Survival
Date: April 19, 2005 at 11:12 am PST

A must share posting on another forum ...

From: Roan Carratu
Date: 29 Mar 2005, 07:58:27 PM
Subject: Roan's message to Art Bell about the oil peak

Dear Art Bell,

Your premise was that since oil production will start declining and it will become harder and harder to transport food, that the system will eventually break down and we will have some kind of murderous 'kill your neighbor to eat his food' anarchy, kill or be killed.

However, the paradigm which contains that idea is really a fairy tale. It would not work for the killer or his family. In fact, there has never been that kind of Mad Max situation on this planet as far as I can find out. People do not face hard times by killing their neighbor for their food. There has been isolated violence during famines, but not what you are describing. You are guilty, I think, of taking the remote exception and making it into a general behavior. It is not. If the situation has gotten to the point people are killing each other to get food, then they will all die. Why? Because how long can you keep killing for food until all the food is gone? It is not competition for food which allows survival... it is cooperation. All food comes from cooperation, and a single family cannot survive by it's own efforts. Cooperation creates sustainability, competition creates change.

The Law of the Jungle is not 'survival of the fittest' or it's other expression 'kill or be killed'... this erroneous concept gives the idea that the people who build bunkers and store up weapons and ammo and a large supply of food are the people who are fittest to survive, but that is not true. They usually die faster than anyone else. 'Bunker' mentalities are the first to die in the situation of famine and social breakdown. People with guns in bunkers are generally killed or stripped of their weapons by their neighbors out of self-defense, simply because bunker folks are a real danger to everyone else. Most people face hard times with cooperation, and most survive. In heavy famines in Africa, the only reason some people survive is because everyone takes care of each other to the extreme.

The real Law of the Jungle is 'adapt or die'. Socially, it's 'cooperate or die'. When faced with mass starvation, a population will not tend to violence but to cooperation. Cooperation, even in nature, is the way to survival when individual survival alone would only lead to death. Adapt means to cooperate for humans. Disasters have always shown how incredibly well people cooperate when they need to survive. Those tiny few who loot and kill die faster than anyone, even when governments are absent. Only when armies raid through areas do you find the kind of 'Mad Max' scenario you described on your show. I only hope you didn't set a lot of scared people on the road to their own 'Bunker'. If the oil shrinks, America will go to hand agricultural practices, and our lifestyle may be different than now, but not worse. I will attach a prediction, a vision, of what America will be like as the oil production shrinks at the end of this message.

Peace and good health, my friend,
-Roan Carratu Worldmind@yahoo.com

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